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Hey, thanks for this post! As someone who is fairly new to daily bike riding (been commuting on my 2d hand Cannondale for about 6 months straight now) these types of distinctions between fixed gear and track are important. Especially since I am thinking of getting a fixed gear bike for the commute (with brakes!), and am looking at getting involved on the local velodrome.
I ride in a huge group Of Fixed Gear cyclists, here in Hawaii about 55 riders. We all have pretty much evolved from The ignorance Of brakeless, helmetless, redlight Runners, To… Using front brakes, clipless pedals, helmets, and bartape. Because most Of us experienced riders have crashed hard, living The ”fixie kidd hipster lifestyle”, and we”ve evolved into cyclists, instead Of fixie kids. There still are fixie kids hitting The streets everyday, and some Will Never learn from their mistakes…but i guess thats why we got old toothless dudes begging For scraps and handouts, and who obsess and compliment our bikes, when we Park infront Of 711. Oh well, thats My smieeL… Ride Aloha, drive Aloha! Ewa beach century_Rider.
another downside to a purpose built track bike vs. a fixie is that the BB on a track bike is generally lower to the ground than on a road counterpart … not an issue on a track but on the street a pedal strike mid corner can have some painful side effects
Inkyfingers, glad to hear that you started commuting. If you get a fixed gear bike, I I would definitely recommend one with front and rear brakes for the road. That way you have the flexibility to run a singlespeed freewheel as well.
Good point Nathaniel. I forgot to mention that my track bike has a low bottom bracket and 165mm cranks. My road fixed gear has 172.5’s which are closer to the 175length that I use on my road bikes.
Im not ever sure that I can ride any bike safely anywhere, with or with out brakes. I just hope for the best and try to be safe. Ridding to work Im mostly worried about the traffic, oh and nathaniel… I believe you are referring to “s–t ass pedal strike“
I used to ride a track bike on the street, but given the bike’s stiff, unforgiving ride quality, I never wanted to ride it any great distance. It certainly was fun but the ride quality was punishing. These days I prefer a road conversion because it’s far more comfortable.
For me the pinnacle of stupidity is what I see so many messengers here in Seattle doing: fixed gear, no brakes, no bar tape.
No brakes on a fixie is a true sign you’re a member of the young and dumb crowd. I always ask these twits how they plan to stop and they all give the same smug answer about skid stopping and skill. Then I ask them the question they haven’t contemplated: how do you plan to skid stop if your chain breaks? I’ve seen this happen more than once. Of course that’s because I’ve been riding fixed gear bikes since the mid-80’s – a time when most of these hipster dimwits were nothing more than a condom failure waiting to happen. I ride a fixie and most of the time I skid stop. However, I also have a front brake. I treat it the way a pilot treats a parachute: you don’t plan to use it but you’ll be really happy it’s there should something go wrong.
The lack of bar tape is also a sign of not having two brain cells to rub together. Here in Seattle we lots of wet weather and it can also get pretty chilly. Bare metal is a great conductor of the cold and very slick when wet. Oh yeah, it makes perfectly good sense to go careening down bumpy roads on cold, slick bars. Brilliant.
Irony is these people all think of themselves as “individuals” even though they all seem to blindly follow the same fashion trends when it comes to bikes, clothes, tattoos, etc. They’re just as sheep like as the guy who goes out and buys the Madone with matching Disco team outfit.
LOL at the bar tape comments! I’ve seen San Francisco bike messengers doing the same thing and I can’t figure it out. While we don’t get the rain you do up there, we certainly have our fair share of chilly weather (read: fog, which does bring a lot of humidity and condensation with it), bumpy roads, and hills.
And you’re right: to them it’s all about posing and being cool. Many of them seem to ride with the mentality that if you leave a tattooed, good looking corpse under a car it won’t be so bad.
while we’re railing on things that don’t make sense in the kingdom of fixed:
top of the list certainly is fixed w/o brakes on the streets. dumb with a side order of stupid.
toptube pad fashion. no clue here, wouldn’t stem pads make more sense?
mad-expensive mag-spoked track-specific wheels on the street. says ‘trustafarian’ like nothing else can.
flat pedals w/o clips on fixed wheel rigs. equals otb ejection-seat action and serious knee problems.
no tape. ’bout as stupid as the 6″ wide straight bar chop.
bmx stunts on track bikes. yes I said track. oh wow, barspins and wheelies. when these posers can launch a fufanu to icepick on a pursuit frame with aerospokes and land it clean, then I’ll pay some attention.
new trend I can’t wait for: brakeless singlespeed freewheel bikes in traffic. culling the herd, one blown traffic signal at a time.
Hey just stopping by to get my dose of green info. Always good stuff here! I am trying to compile a list of stuff I can do to reduce my carbon emissions. MTV had a commercial about it, and got me interested. I have been to http://www.earthlab.com and they have a ton of tips but I was mostly impressed by their page where they have their users send in tips: http://www.earthlab.com/life/tips.aspx Does anyone else know of other data bases that I can find these types of small things that lower my emissions? EPA or WWF maybe?
Thanks for all your info and drop me a link if you guys see anything worth my time.
…provocative post, james, w/ some great & truthful responses……now lemme see……soccer mom w/ cell phone plastered to her ear, who’s inattentively driving an overly large suv -VS- a brake-less, fixed gear hipster speeding along in a world of self congratulatory cool……hmmmm…i’m gonna side w/ one but if we’re betting on survival, i’m gonna bet on the other…
Great post but at the end of the day if you behave like an idiot on a bicycle it doesn’t matter what kind of bike you ride. Back in the Really Old Days, when people did not have freewheels yet, they still had brakes. As I was taught when learning to fly, safety is the No. 1 issue and everything else is a distant second. One of the joys of cycling is independence and that includes being responsible for your riding. I have never ridden a fixie and have been considering getting something like a Raleigh One-Way, with a flip-flop hub, for local riding.
Adrian: for information on carbon emissions and how to reduce them, check out http://www.terrapass.com.
I agree with bikesgonewild, great responses everyone.
C, good point about stopping with a broken chain; I’m glad you mentioned that. Your comments about unwrapped bars are funny but they are also right on. I really don’t understand the appeal of bare metal bars, but I guess some people will do anything to look cool.
I would love to hear from someone who rides with untaped bars and can explain to me why they do so. Can anyone fill me in, because that is a trend that I really just don’t get?
How about this: A track bike is a a bike that is primarily ridden on a track.
Any other bike that has a fixed gear, regardless of its geometry, should be referred to as a fixed gear.
Oh wait, I didn’t finish reading the post. Maybe you’ve already figured this out…
unwrapped handlebars are:
- more aero.- easier to swap out with other bars.- cool to the touch.- for lovers of chrome.- reducing the environmental impact of harvesting cork for bar tape.- an added challenge when wet weather riding – and who doesn’t like a challenge?- saves $. 2 rolls of bar tape = 1 sixpack of imports at the bodega or a martini at a bar in the LES.- and last but most important: running bars with no tape is hot because someone else did it first and they seem to be cool so hey, let’s all do it.
…appearance wise, riding handlebars w/ out tape is like wearing a suit, tie & wingtip shoes…w/ no socks…
…no brakes & no bar tape while regularly riding in wet conditions…hmmm, not so much a fashion statement as an evolutionary step perhaps…
…but i guess i should remain open minded until someone weighs in & ‘tries’ to justify it…
…thank you, sumadis…i guess we were posting at the same time…
…your list of ‘salient points’ were a good chuckle, although we both know there are hipsters trying to memorize them right now for future justification…
James, you might consider changing terms (again) to “fixed wheel” rather than “fixed gear”. I tend to agree with the English (for once!), that “fixed gear” implies that you can’t change gears, which would mean any single speed.
If you need an example, maybe consider the fact that it’s possible to build a bike with a fixed wheel that can change gears. Such a bike would have a fixed wheel, because it doesn’t allow you to coast, but not a fixed gear, because it allows you to shift.
Also, the line between “fixie” and “track bike” is more blurry than you think- geometry isn’t a deciding factor, because there are plenty of bikes designed for the track that have more road-ish geometry, and vice versa.
Precision in bike language is hard, I think, because of the years and years of marketing and hype that the bike industry has. Finding words that are correct is pretty hard these days.
Hey, I’m not going to defend the no tape thing but I do it. However, mine has nothing to do with seeing anyone else do it (I haven’t really) and actually my other bikes have tape but my beater is tapeless.
Why you ask?
Well, I always wear gloves with nubs on them so my grip is just fine and the bike is a 60’s era bike that’s all white and chrome and the flash on the handlebars is pretty flashy, and this bike is pretty much just a flashy bike. Nothing special, nothing expensive, just good for an occasion ride through town on a nice day.
If it were raining… probably not a good choice though the gloves are fine. If it was my only bike… definitely not a great choice, but as just one of the fleet, it’s fine for me.
great post. i’m running front and back brakes on my fixie. this may exclude me from the hipster elite, but i’m okay with that.
some serious haters up in here.. lolI don’t ride one, but don’t have no problem with them either.. let them do what they wanna do, and don’t hate.
I am replying to “C’s” question about how one would skid stop a brakeless fixed gear if the chain breaks. its easy.
-take one foot out of clip or pedal-put foot on top of wheel, wedged on the seat stay-lift ass off of seat and apply pressure
its as if your standing up on your rear wheel. its extremly easy and effective.
Loads of people ride BMX bikes brakeless, and they either have to jump of and look like an idiot or jam their foot into the back wheel.It’s one thing with tiny BMX bikes going 10 MPH where the rear wheel is about 8 inches away from the pedal, but on a full sized bike, it’s just not that easy. Plus, I can imagine skid stopping all the time would wear out ones knees incredibly fast. Y’all who ride BMX know how frustrating it is to always be nursing an injury.
welcome back 80’s!!!!! Cut you tight jeans up, and have you little kid sister cut your hair!
Just be considerate of others, and wear deoderant
I ride a fixie with just a front break as that is where 80% of your stopping power is anyway when using breaks. I have to agree with most of you about the self-destructive aspects of riding any fixed-wheel in traffic while lacking breaks, bar-tape, and toe-clips/clipless pedals.
I must add to the list though head-phones and helmets. These are not exclusive to fixie riders either. I do not know how many times I have seen cyclist have extremely close calls on both roads and trails because they cant hear what is going on. Thet cant here me politely warn “on your left” as I pass nor can they hear the motor vehicle “warning” them of the mounting road rage.
On the subject of helmets… I do not care if you think they dont look cool enough or are too warm or any number of the reasons that SO MANY cyclist do not wear them. I can tell you that in the last six years of using a bicycle as my exclusive form of personal transportation (ok I take the bus occasionally) I have been hit three times by motorists. never has it been my fault, one was intentional, and the other two were genuine accidents on thier part. All three resulted in shattered helmets. Only one resulted in a concussion. That is what I have to say about that.
HELMETS SAVE LIVES and all cyclist should wear them. (dont get me started on the idiots who dont wear helmets on motorcycles.)
I’m riding and old 10-speed that I plan to convert to a fixie/free flip-flop based on the ease of maintainence and simplicity of spinning (mostly flat here). I for one will keep the breaks, even upgrade them and I make an effort to always wear a helmet. I used to ride a cruiser with coaster breaks and no grips and bare bars(they kept sliding off) when I was young and dumb until I had a few close calls as the chain slipped and I flew out into traffic with no helmet. Luckily I didn’t have to eat the front of a car to learn my lesson. I think I look a lot cooler riding my bike safely than in a full body cast.
sumadisI only caught your sarcasm because of your other comment, but if any tapeless bar guy uses one of these arguments, this is what I’ll say
-more aero… well your average hipster doesn’t go fast enough for it to take effect- easier to swap out with other bars……. because new bars are more important than switching out that disgusting schwinn quill you’re running- cool to the touch…. for the first five seconds- for lovers of chrome…..ok, but if your bike is for looking at why ride it on the dirty street?- reducing the environmental impact of harvesting cork for bar tape…..cork isn’t the only thing bar tape is made out of.- an added challenge when wet weather riding – and who doesn’t like a challenge?……because riding fast isn’t the kind of challenge you are interested in. it’s fun (and challenging!) to slip off the bars and eat asphalt then ride home.- saves $. 2 rolls bar tape = 1 sixpack of imports at the bodega or a martini at a bar in the LES…..sounds good. get pissed, then get on the bike, slip back off, wonder why you don’t have tape - and last but most important: running bars with no tape is hot because someone else did it first and they seem to be cool so hey, let’s all do it because riding bikes isn’t about environmentalism or fun, it’s about shiny bars!
p.s. anyone who actually rides bikes knows tape is valuable. for any ride longer than 5k without tape, the hands suffer. two reasons for this:
-one, to maintain your grip, you have to grip the bars tighter, which is bad because this causes soreness in your hands, and this is not necessary.
-two, vibrations from the road are transferred straight to the hands which is painful and can lead to carpal tunnel which, I assume makes it hard to grip tapeless bars.
I’m only anonymous because I don’t feel like creating an account.. But all this “bitching” and moaning reminds me of the old hags of the 50’s that thought Rock N Roll was the devil’s music….
attention all bike snobs!!!
just shut up and ride…
Here’s a link to my site which shows a build of a fixie frame and fork. Comments welcome there.http://porterbikes.com/dave
umm well first off track frames have a HIGHER bb than road and with 165 cranks its an even lass chance of pedal strike, alot of people prefer track bikes for road due to tighter geometry, less chance of pedal strike on sharp corners, chain break, alot of people who ride track bikes on street know about the bmx stop(foot brought to back tire to slow down), wll more should learn if riding brakeless.no bar tape? who cares do what you want. its your own bike have fun atleast they are not driving a car blind folded for looking cool
As for the “BMX stop” method of stopping for brake-less fixies, that’s just naïve. You get much more braking power from your front brakes, so even if your chain doesn’t break, you can stop faster if you use your front brake. I know mine has saved my life more than once. I don’t know, maybe the drivers are better in your area, but here they have SUVs and cellphones.
Wow, very explosive view points.
However while valid the debate and it's completely segregated camps achieves little as far as rights of a cyclist goes, here in Sydney Australia, New York, Paris or London.
The problem with beliefs is like religion, it's held dear until proven wrong. Conjecture only contributes to conflict as a result.
Love your bike, and let others learn how to ride theirs. If that means a trip to an Emergency Unit looking like a casualty of war then that's fine for them.
while I in no way agree with it, most peoples reasons for riding without bar tape are for swapping out bars faster in stems that don't allow for easy bar removal. This has also lead to the popularity of bmx stems which allow for TAPED bars to easily be swapped out between your riser or drop bars.
hey guys, im kinda new to fixies, i got a bmx helmet but still think it looks a little lame, although it helps.. what do you guys think of something like this:
I think its funny that some people will hate something that doesn't concern them at all. Why do you care so much that other people do not tape there bars. I can tell you something… I'm not a whiner complaining about how other people don't tape their handlebars
why do fixie kids feel the need to ride without tape or brakes? why do road bike riders always think they look so good in spandex? i mean c’mon, there’s not really a rhyme or reason to some things in the bike world. i ride with no tape because i love my gloves and tape is just one more expense. and hell, it looks pretty slick! why is it such a big deal if i want my one and only vehicle in this city to look good?
tape or not to tape? Sound like a bunch of apes .. I don’t
wear boxer or briefs .. does anyone have a problem with that?
So many haters. Try riding a fixed gear and I guarantee you, all those pent-up anger towards fixies will go away.
Longboards, skateboards, in-line skates. All pose the same risks. Why single out fixed gears.
Don’t see many fixed wheel bikes on the streets any more, and many of those would be freewheel. Looks like commuting or road bikes are taking back over. Otherwise more relaxed cruisers and vintage style bikes.