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	<title>Comments on: VeloTilt: Design of a low drag practical velomobile</title>
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		<title>By: Sylvain</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/10/velotilt-design-of-a-low-drag-practical-velomobile/comment-page-1/#comment-32125</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Arnold

When you say &quot;We aim for 55 km/hour at 150 w. 150 watt &quot;, could you explain us the way you defined the required power to ride at this speed ? I assume this is directly linked to the aerodynamics of your Tilt VM. Is this required power based on calculation or testing on a prototype ?
Thank you
Sylvain]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Arnold</p>
<p>When you say &#8220;We aim for 55 km/hour at 150 w. 150 watt &#8220;, could you explain us the way you defined the required power to ride at this speed ? I assume this is directly linked to the aerodynamics of your Tilt VM. Is this required power based on calculation or testing on a prototype ?<br />
Thank you<br />
Sylvain</p>
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		<title>By: Christophe</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/10/velotilt-design-of-a-low-drag-practical-velomobile/comment-page-1/#comment-32028</link>
		<dc:creator>Christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ride in a Velomobile make sweating a lot. Don&#039;t forget that !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ride in a Velomobile make sweating a lot. Don&#8217;t forget that !</p>
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		<title>By: Amoeba</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/10/velotilt-design-of-a-low-drag-practical-velomobile/comment-page-1/#comment-31971</link>
		<dc:creator>Amoeba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks really nice, of course, I&#039;d like to see one in the flesh. But since I&#039;m considering a VM, I&#039;m potentially interested. 
But it looks too hot, for warm weather use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks really nice, of course, I&#8217;d like to see one in the flesh. But since I&#8217;m considering a VM, I&#8217;m potentially interested.<br />
But it looks too hot, for warm weather use.</p>
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		<title>By: Amoeba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amoeba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the factors that makes cars and driving artificially inexpensive, are the hidden subsidies to car drivers. This is the consequence of external costs that are not charged to the motorist, but shared-out among the population.
In the UK each registered car is subsidised on average to the extent of just over 2000 Euro per year, or over 20000 Euro per decade. (2008 figures). Ref.

It is common for motorists to maintain incorrectly that the vehicle-tax and fuel duty that they pay &#039;subsidises&#039;  cyclists and other road users. This is untrue, in-fact, the reverse is often true. There are numerous externalities of motor-vehicle use: air-pollution, noise pollution, deaths and morbidity arising; diseases of inactivity (from creating a hostile road environment that deters active transport); etc.

Like anything that is artificially under-priced, there is an excessive demand with frivolous and unnecessary driving is encouraged.  People have apparently lost the ability to walk further than a few tens of metres.

If motorists were to be charged the full cost of these externalities, charges would necessarily need to be levied on mileage and fuel, probably with a time-of-day component, to iron-out congestion peaks.
Driving would become less popular, while walking, velomobiles, cycling and Public transport would become increasingly attractive and with less motoring, the world would be a less-congested, safer, quieter less polluted and healthier place.

Ref.
The True Costs of Automobility: External Costs of Cars 
Overview on existing estimates in EU-27 
Final Report 
TU Dresden 
Chair of Transport Ecology 
Prof. Dr. Ing. Udo J. Becker 
Thilo Becker 
Julia Gerlach 
Dresden, October 12th, 2012
http://tinyurl.com/c67dwq3]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the factors that makes cars and driving artificially inexpensive, are the hidden subsidies to car drivers. This is the consequence of external costs that are not charged to the motorist, but shared-out among the population.<br />
In the UK each registered car is subsidised on average to the extent of just over 2000 Euro per year, or over 20000 Euro per decade. (2008 figures). Ref.</p>
<p>It is common for motorists to maintain incorrectly that the vehicle-tax and fuel duty that they pay &#8216;subsidises&#8217;  cyclists and other road users. This is untrue, in-fact, the reverse is often true. There are numerous externalities of motor-vehicle use: air-pollution, noise pollution, deaths and morbidity arising; diseases of inactivity (from creating a hostile road environment that deters active transport); etc.</p>
<p>Like anything that is artificially under-priced, there is an excessive demand with frivolous and unnecessary driving is encouraged.  People have apparently lost the ability to walk further than a few tens of metres.</p>
<p>If motorists were to be charged the full cost of these externalities, charges would necessarily need to be levied on mileage and fuel, probably with a time-of-day component, to iron-out congestion peaks.<br />
Driving would become less popular, while walking, velomobiles, cycling and Public transport would become increasingly attractive and with less motoring, the world would be a less-congested, safer, quieter less polluted and healthier place.</p>
<p>Ref.<br />
The True Costs of Automobility: External Costs of Cars<br />
Overview on existing estimates in EU-27<br />
Final Report<br />
TU Dresden<br />
Chair of Transport Ecology<br />
Prof. Dr. Ing. Udo J. Becker<br />
Thilo Becker<br />
Julia Gerlach<br />
Dresden, October 12th, 2012<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/c67dwq3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/c67dwq3</a></p>
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		<title>By: stevbike</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevbike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 00:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I test rode a Reg Redaro velomobile design in 2001. It used a front wheel drive design and rear steering. With standard bicycle gearing,I found the machine to be on the slow sie mainly due to the use of  20&quot; drive wheel. I would find tht a more common up-right bike (any design type) is more practical then a velomobile due the structures presently in place in most citys. There is really no structures in place ight now due to the rarity of the velo design. Given time, the velo will make a great alterative to the open up-right and reumbentbike designs. What is needed so push of the velo design in the main stream to showcase it urban cycling mode. The price will have to come down to make it worth while to the mass market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I test rode a Reg Redaro velomobile design in 2001. It used a front wheel drive design and rear steering. With standard bicycle gearing,I found the machine to be on the slow sie mainly due to the use of  20&#8243; drive wheel. I would find tht a more common up-right bike (any design type) is more practical then a velomobile due the structures presently in place in most citys. There is really no structures in place ight now due to the rarity of the velo design. Given time, the velo will make a great alterative to the open up-right and reumbentbike designs. What is needed so push of the velo design in the main stream to showcase it urban cycling mode. The price will have to come down to make it worth while to the mass market.</p>
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		<title>By: Arnold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 10:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi mgb,

thanks for the Nissan link. At the moment we are mainly looking at technical feasibility of the bike. It obviously can exist in CAD, but what happens when we take one to the roads. How will it perform in windy conditions, will we achieve the speed potential, and so on. We are looking at pricing as well in terms of design choices versus manufacturing costs, but only on a limited scale at the moment. 

On Drymer: Last thing I heard is that the company was bought by one of the suppliers. This was in 2011. In June of this year apparently it was introduced. No news after that. This project has been around under various names and owners for a long time indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi mgb,</p>
<p>thanks for the Nissan link. At the moment we are mainly looking at technical feasibility of the bike. It obviously can exist in CAD, but what happens when we take one to the roads. How will it perform in windy conditions, will we achieve the speed potential, and so on. We are looking at pricing as well in terms of design choices versus manufacturing costs, but only on a limited scale at the moment. </p>
<p>On Drymer: Last thing I heard is that the company was bought by one of the suppliers. This was in 2011. In June of this year apparently it was introduced. No news after that. This project has been around under various names and owners for a long time indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: mgb</title>
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		<dc:creator>mgb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi there,

I liked the Munzo TT design very much and would love to see your design in production and eventually for sale, but price is a valid consideration for many, especially those who don&#039;t earn European salaries.   The rear wheel tilt mechanism reminds me of the Nissan tilting concept electric car &quot;LandGlider&quot;  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=dFLKhvdzJec

BTW, since you are Dutch, do you know what happened to the Drymer (semi-upright, mostly covered tilting tadpole trike with elec. assist)?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRxJXkw5aLs Not much was ever available on that project in English though it has been around for at least 5 years now.

Cheers, and all the best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>I liked the Munzo TT design very much and would love to see your design in production and eventually for sale, but price is a valid consideration for many, especially those who don&#8217;t earn European salaries.   The rear wheel tilt mechanism reminds me of the Nissan tilting concept electric car &#8220;LandGlider&#8221;  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&#038;v=dFLKhvdzJec" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&#038;v=dFLKhvdzJec</a></p>
<p>BTW, since you are Dutch, do you know what happened to the Drymer (semi-upright, mostly covered tilting tadpole trike with elec. assist)?  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRxJXkw5aLs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRxJXkw5aLs</a> Not much was ever available on that project in English though it has been around for at least 5 years now.</p>
<p>Cheers, and all the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Maarten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maarten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 22:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What are you talking about. There are turn signal LEDs on current velomobiles, in my case a Quest. The switch is conveniently located on the tiller. See http://www.flickr.com/photos/28398992@N04/5459423656/in/set-72157625963638605]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you talking about. There are turn signal LEDs on current velomobiles, in my case a Quest. The switch is conveniently located on the tiller. See <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/28398992@N04/5459423656/in/set-72157625963638605" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/28398992@N04/5459423656/in/set-72157625963638605</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 21:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about a used Velocity Velo velomobile with ~600 miles on it for $5200? It was $7200 new with 22 speed internal gearing and etc, etc. See: www.sale.bicycleman.com,  email pete@bicycleman.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a used Velocity Velo velomobile with ~600 miles on it for $5200? It was $7200 new with 22 speed internal gearing and etc, etc. See: <a href="http://www.sale.bicycleman.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sale.bicycleman.com</a>,  email <a href="mailto:pete@bicycleman.com">pete@bicycleman.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arnold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Art,
thanks for the compliment (I think). Please do not dismiss this project as another one of those renders. The team behind this consists of two current recumbent manufacturers. Most everyone in the team has a lot of cycling experience. The design of the VeloTilt is based on : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JSTqIOORgI]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art,<br />
thanks for the compliment (I think). Please do not dismiss this project as another one of those renders. The team behind this consists of two current recumbent manufacturers. Most everyone in the team has a lot of cycling experience. The design of the VeloTilt is based on : <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JSTqIOORgI" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JSTqIOORgI</a></p>
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