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	<title>Comments on: MiniMum by Omer Sagiv</title>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/10/minimum-by-omer-sagiv/comment-page-1/#comment-30634</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the wire is there to support the seatpost, surely it would be better attached at the head tube rather than way up near the handle bars. Otherwise when under tension it&#039;s just going to flex the bars. This move would also help with the step-over stand-over issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the wire is there to support the seatpost, surely it would be better attached at the head tube rather than way up near the handle bars. Otherwise when under tension it&#8217;s just going to flex the bars. This move would also help with the step-over stand-over issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Smith (@badmonotreme)</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/10/minimum-by-omer-sagiv/comment-page-1/#comment-30117</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Smith (@badmonotreme)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For comparison, here&#039;s a pic of my old Strida:
https://twitter.com/badmonotreme/status/163363581134508033/photo/1/large]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For comparison, here&#8217;s a pic of my old Strida:<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/badmonotreme/status/163363581134508033/photo/1/large" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/badmonotreme/status/163363581134508033/photo/1/large</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Smith (@badmonotreme)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Smith (@badmonotreme)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, that&#039;s interesting. The prototype is clearly made out of an old Strida: wheels, mudguard, frame, clamped-on bottom bracket etc. In fact, it&#039;s a cut-down Strida with a seatpost that, weirdly, is mounted OUTSIDE the chainring. How does that work?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, that&#8217;s interesting. The prototype is clearly made out of an old Strida: wheels, mudguard, frame, clamped-on bottom bracket etc. In fact, it&#8217;s a cut-down Strida with a seatpost that, weirdly, is mounted OUTSIDE the chainring. How does that work?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/10/minimum-by-omer-sagiv/comment-page-1/#comment-30112</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This link should get you to the photo of the prototype on the designer&#039;s site: http://www.omersagiv.com/#!portfolio/vstc3=transportation/photostackergallery4=8

Notes on the prototype:
-- Right side drive, of course
-- Mag wheels (seems a little dangerous with a hub brake but at low speeds it&#039;s probably fine)
-- Gear ratio looks a little more manageable
-- No front suspension
-- Small but functional fenders
-- Seat mast attaches to the frame outboard of the chainring.  I don&#039;t even want to know how that works.
-- The cable would seem to come in and out of tension as you steer the bike because of the fork/&quot;stem&quot;/handlebar geometry.  It would still serve the purpose of retaining broken parts, as Art points out above.
 -- The seat mast angle is less steep than in the renderings (STA might be as low as 60*), which puts the crank very far forward.  Toe clearance is obviously pretty horrible, though that&#039;s a problem with the strida as well and people buy it.  I&#039;m a little concerned about weight distribution, this thing looks like it would endo pretty easily.
-- I think the belt is tensioned by loosening the bolts that hold the crank/seat mast assembly to the frame and moving it up the frame.  Good thing it&#039;s right side drive or fixing a flat would require taking apart the whole bike.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This link should get you to the photo of the prototype on the designer&#8217;s site: <a href="http://www.omersagiv.com/#!portfolio/vstc3=transportation/photostackergallery4=8" rel="nofollow">http://www.omersagiv.com/#!portfolio/vstc3=transportation/photostackergallery4=8</a></p>
<p>Notes on the prototype:<br />
&#8211; Right side drive, of course<br />
&#8211; Mag wheels (seems a little dangerous with a hub brake but at low speeds it&#8217;s probably fine)<br />
&#8211; Gear ratio looks a little more manageable<br />
&#8211; No front suspension<br />
&#8211; Small but functional fenders<br />
&#8211; Seat mast attaches to the frame outboard of the chainring.  I don&#8217;t even want to know how that works.<br />
&#8211; The cable would seem to come in and out of tension as you steer the bike because of the fork/&#8221;stem&#8221;/handlebar geometry.  It would still serve the purpose of retaining broken parts, as Art points out above.<br />
 &#8212; The seat mast angle is less steep than in the renderings (STA might be as low as 60*), which puts the crank very far forward.  Toe clearance is obviously pretty horrible, though that&#8217;s a problem with the strida as well and people buy it.  I&#8217;m a little concerned about weight distribution, this thing looks like it would endo pretty easily.<br />
&#8211; I think the belt is tensioned by loosening the bolts that hold the crank/seat mast assembly to the frame and moving it up the frame.  Good thing it&#8217;s right side drive or fixing a flat would require taking apart the whole bike.</p>
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		<title>By: Omer</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/10/minimum-by-omer-sagiv/comment-page-1/#comment-30067</link>
		<dc:creator>Omer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Torben for your kind words.
There&#039;s a photo on my website under transportation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Torben for your kind words.<br />
There&#8217;s a photo on my website under transportation.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Smith (@badmonotreme)</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/10/minimum-by-omer-sagiv/comment-page-1/#comment-30050</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Smith (@badmonotreme)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 23:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the Strida, the drive is on the same side as the monoblade. This means that it&#039;s possible to remove and replace tyres and tubes without removing the wheel, which speeds up puncture repairs and reduces the number of tools you have to carry. This is probably the only advantage of a monoblade. Negating this advantage by putting the drive on the wrong side betrays a lack of thought or understanding, unless there&#039;s some other killer advantage I&#039;m too dumb to see. It just looks like a fashion thing.

The spectre of fashion-led design decisions also make me look again at the overall geometry of the thing. Right angles? The original Strida was dreadful to ride. It felt unstable up hill, down dale, straight and level, at any speed (I just know, okay?). Plus, it looks like a folder, with all the compromises of a folder, but doesn&#039;t fold. If it&#039;s not meant to fold, why not a proper frame? And nice big wheels? Also, is there an actual front brake?

Only hipsters will buy this bike.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Strida, the drive is on the same side as the monoblade. This means that it&#8217;s possible to remove and replace tyres and tubes without removing the wheel, which speeds up puncture repairs and reduces the number of tools you have to carry. This is probably the only advantage of a monoblade. Negating this advantage by putting the drive on the wrong side betrays a lack of thought or understanding, unless there&#8217;s some other killer advantage I&#8217;m too dumb to see. It just looks like a fashion thing.</p>
<p>The spectre of fashion-led design decisions also make me look again at the overall geometry of the thing. Right angles? The original Strida was dreadful to ride. It felt unstable up hill, down dale, straight and level, at any speed (I just know, okay?). Plus, it looks like a folder, with all the compromises of a folder, but doesn&#8217;t fold. If it&#8217;s not meant to fold, why not a proper frame? And nice big wheels? Also, is there an actual front brake?</p>
<p>Only hipsters will buy this bike.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/10/minimum-by-omer-sagiv/comment-page-1/#comment-30032</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right, should have specified I meant with it on the non-drive side.  A small wheel like on this design and the strida helps a lot with the pedal and heel clearance issues for a mono stay, but then you end up with the gear ratio problem.  With a 32cm wheel and a 3:1 gear ratio (my guesstimate from the rendering) this thing goes a whopping 10mph pedaling at 90 rpm.  At that speed and level of effort a longboard would be more effective human-powered urban transportation.

What really annoys me about these continuing attempts at a mono stay rear is that they try to replace a truly simple design based on sound engineering with an affected notion of simplicity in the form of a big dumb cantilever.  I say this in almost every post on here, but it remains true: people like this guy who want to design things where aesthetics take precedence over engineering should design clothing or housewares.  There are many more jobs, and they will be more likely to have successful, satisfying careers if their design goals align with the clients&#039;.  No bike company wants to hire a designer whose designs look pretty but are wildly impractical.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, should have specified I meant with it on the non-drive side.  A small wheel like on this design and the strida helps a lot with the pedal and heel clearance issues for a mono stay, but then you end up with the gear ratio problem.  With a 32cm wheel and a 3:1 gear ratio (my guesstimate from the rendering) this thing goes a whopping 10mph pedaling at 90 rpm.  At that speed and level of effort a longboard would be more effective human-powered urban transportation.</p>
<p>What really annoys me about these continuing attempts at a mono stay rear is that they try to replace a truly simple design based on sound engineering with an affected notion of simplicity in the form of a big dumb cantilever.  I say this in almost every post on here, but it remains true: people like this guy who want to design things where aesthetics take precedence over engineering should design clothing or housewares.  There are many more jobs, and they will be more likely to have successful, satisfying careers if their design goals align with the clients&#8217;.  No bike company wants to hire a designer whose designs look pretty but are wildly impractical.</p>
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		<title>By: art</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/10/minimum-by-omer-sagiv/comment-page-1/#comment-29999</link>
		<dc:creator>art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note that on the Strida, the monoblade is on the drive side.  Having a single stay on the non-drive side is a somewhat puzzling design choice as it adds a considerable amount of torque to the root of the axle for absolutely no functional benefit.

Also, the cable is not completely ridiculous.  It will keep the front end of the frame from flying too far when the down tube breaks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that on the Strida, the monoblade is on the drive side.  Having a single stay on the non-drive side is a somewhat puzzling design choice as it adds a considerable amount of torque to the root of the axle for absolutely no functional benefit.</p>
<p>Also, the cable is not completely ridiculous.  It will keep the front end of the frame from flying too far when the down tube breaks.</p>
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		<title>By: tom johnson</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/10/minimum-by-omer-sagiv/comment-page-1/#comment-29996</link>
		<dc:creator>tom johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Omer, I am always interested in seeing your design renderings on various forums, but I can&#039;t help thinking that if I&#039;d actually built the bike shown above, and overcome all the structural issues highlighted, I&#039;d have at least shown a picture of the completed bike. 

It only takes a few hours to knock-up a 3d rendering but engineering and building a working bicycle prototype surely takes months or years (I know this because I am attempting to build one myself) and I do not understand why you would go to all the trouble of building and testing the bike only to release these basic renderings. 

It would be great to see some photographs, then people would be able to take your statement &#039;I have built it and it works&#039; seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omer, I am always interested in seeing your design renderings on various forums, but I can&#8217;t help thinking that if I&#8217;d actually built the bike shown above, and overcome all the structural issues highlighted, I&#8217;d have at least shown a picture of the completed bike. </p>
<p>It only takes a few hours to knock-up a 3d rendering but engineering and building a working bicycle prototype surely takes months or years (I know this because I am attempting to build one myself) and I do not understand why you would go to all the trouble of building and testing the bike only to release these basic renderings. </p>
<p>It would be great to see some photographs, then people would be able to take your statement &#8216;I have built it and it works&#8217; seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: pierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Omer, please show us some photos of the prototype that you have been riding and explain to us how the top wire cable is actually in tension rather than compression because for me just as all the others who commented above it appears  that when the rider is on the bike that cable brings no structural benefit for the frame.

I&#039;ll add another critic concerning the wheels: If portability comes before aspect and fashion, there should be less spokes to reduce weight. That many spokes are structurally unnecessary and add considerable weight. This choice doesn&#039;t quite match with your &quot;minimum&quot; concept.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omer, please show us some photos of the prototype that you have been riding and explain to us how the top wire cable is actually in tension rather than compression because for me just as all the others who commented above it appears  that when the rider is on the bike that cable brings no structural benefit for the frame.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add another critic concerning the wheels: If portability comes before aspect and fashion, there should be less spokes to reduce weight. That many spokes are structurally unnecessary and add considerable weight. This choice doesn&#8217;t quite match with your &#8220;minimum&#8221; concept.</p>
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