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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/03/specialized-turbo-e-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-29464</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No idea how long you spent composing that, but it was all pretty much wasted since you didn&#039;t bother to put two minutes in to proofread it.

You seem to raise some interesting points, but due to the frankly somewhat amazing degree of incoherence, replying to any of them seems out of the question, at least without asking for clarification. And it&#039;s interesting only to those who&#039;d bother to read past the first line, like I very nearly didn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No idea how long you spent composing that, but it was all pretty much wasted since you didn&#8217;t bother to put two minutes in to proofread it.</p>
<p>You seem to raise some interesting points, but due to the frankly somewhat amazing degree of incoherence, replying to any of them seems out of the question, at least without asking for clarification. And it&#8217;s interesting only to those who&#8217;d bother to read past the first line, like I very nearly didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/03/specialized-turbo-e-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-29416</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The battery arrangement looks like a Protanium configuration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The battery arrangement looks like a Protanium configuration.</p>
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		<title>By: karL</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/03/specialized-turbo-e-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-28633</link>
		<dc:creator>karL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 17:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s  actually hundreds of dollars below the incentive in america for electric vehicles and  that&#039;s beforeo the additional beefy incentive state regulators are imposing on &#039;electric companies&#039; to finance efficiency.

Batteries are expensive to manufacture the facilities to manufacture andexpensive with obsolete chemistries but not too expensive for bikes.  Only to expensive it seems to own theip for to not sell out for the capital to ramp up as A&#039;s selling out to a chinese auto supplier ina confidential MOU that probabl ymakes itharder not easier to buy there latest cells if your just a bike factory owner regardless of how large a  majority of the planet currently* comes to you not evil car industry for mobility.

Lets&#039; be clear though- present pedal technology especially in upright bikes is terribly energy inefficient as shifty ones wait strainsii frames cusing htem to  generate heat and sap energy and also vary the downward acceleratoin so the tires etc. can&#039; be as high in pressure as otherwise.

Elliptically interfaced to our bodies or recumbent frames dont&#039; need the grid at all- exceptfor the thousands of dollars of rebates using one instead of a Volt or other globaldestroying monstrousity consumes.

Again it&#039;s $7500 per commuter that we are offering to anhyone using electricity and courts will back me up on this- of course you have ot have a job to owe ov er $7500 butif you do pay taxes it&#039;s demented to complain about the euro&#039;s and fraudulent to not disclose the present exchange rate is MISSLEADING!!!!

Of course teh free golf carts sold out.

What makes walmart able to sell bikes is nobody uses them.

Selling a bike htat actually gets miles put on it is a different industry altogether- like  landlines for instance.

Also thinking the vehicle is where cost reduction shoudl be realised is utterly ignorant.

Putting people on bikes takes congested snail pace roads currently scheduled fordemoltion along with the  billions of dollars of housing etc. alongtehm for widening and overnight makes them fun, fast, clean, safe, .. buts  somehow resistable by Mr.  Ford&#039;s scheming to modernise even more expensive parking garages?

He&#039;s a deadender but one who&#039;ps never failed.  russian roulette is liek that though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s  actually hundreds of dollars below the incentive in america for electric vehicles and  that&#8217;s beforeo the additional beefy incentive state regulators are imposing on &#8216;electric companies&#8217; to finance efficiency.</p>
<p>Batteries are expensive to manufacture the facilities to manufacture andexpensive with obsolete chemistries but not too expensive for bikes.  Only to expensive it seems to own theip for to not sell out for the capital to ramp up as A&#8217;s selling out to a chinese auto supplier ina confidential MOU that probabl ymakes itharder not easier to buy there latest cells if your just a bike factory owner regardless of how large a  majority of the planet currently* comes to you not evil car industry for mobility.</p>
<p>Lets&#8217; be clear though- present pedal technology especially in upright bikes is terribly energy inefficient as shifty ones wait strainsii frames cusing htem to  generate heat and sap energy and also vary the downward acceleratoin so the tires etc. can&#8217; be as high in pressure as otherwise.</p>
<p>Elliptically interfaced to our bodies or recumbent frames dont&#8217; need the grid at all- exceptfor the thousands of dollars of rebates using one instead of a Volt or other globaldestroying monstrousity consumes.</p>
<p>Again it&#8217;s $7500 per commuter that we are offering to anhyone using electricity and courts will back me up on this- of course you have ot have a job to owe ov er $7500 butif you do pay taxes it&#8217;s demented to complain about the euro&#8217;s and fraudulent to not disclose the present exchange rate is MISSLEADING!!!!</p>
<p>Of course teh free golf carts sold out.</p>
<p>What makes walmart able to sell bikes is nobody uses them.</p>
<p>Selling a bike htat actually gets miles put on it is a different industry altogether- like  landlines for instance.</p>
<p>Also thinking the vehicle is where cost reduction shoudl be realised is utterly ignorant.</p>
<p>Putting people on bikes takes congested snail pace roads currently scheduled fordemoltion along with the  billions of dollars of housing etc. alongtehm for widening and overnight makes them fun, fast, clean, safe, .. buts  somehow resistable by Mr.  Ford&#8217;s scheming to modernise even more expensive parking garages?</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a deadender but one who&#8217;ps never failed.  russian roulette is liek that though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/03/specialized-turbo-e-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-27805</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ima &lt;i&gt;build&lt;/i&gt; one. I&#039;ve been thinking about it for years... seems like the ebike&#039;s time has &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.google.com.au/search?q=prieto+battery&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nearly&lt;/a&gt; come.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ima <i>build</i> one. I&#8217;ve been thinking about it for years&#8230; seems like the ebike&#8217;s time has <a href="https://www.google.com.au/search?q=prieto+battery" rel="nofollow">nearly</a> come.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/03/specialized-turbo-e-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-27804</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WANT]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WANT</p>
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		<title>By: cabis familiaris</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/03/specialized-turbo-e-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-26910</link>
		<dc:creator>cabis familiaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey guys, watch out the gorgeous 2011 Cube EPO!
It&#039;s quite similar to the Specialized Turbo e-bike, don&#039;t U think?
http://www.cube.eu/pedelec/epo/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, watch out the gorgeous 2011 Cube EPO!<br />
It&#8217;s quite similar to the Specialized Turbo e-bike, don&#8217;t U think?<br />
<a href="http://www.cube.eu/pedelec/epo/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cube.eu/pedelec/epo/</a></p>
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		<title>By: shelby</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/03/specialized-turbo-e-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-26278</link>
		<dc:creator>shelby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 20:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[$7k and they could afford a suspension or bigger tires? It&#039;s a sleek bike, but you&#039;d have to be retarded to ride on city streets at 40mph. I use the biggest 2.5&quot; tires I can find on my ebikes. More control, stopping power, and cushion on bad roads. And it&#039;s still not enough. Many high powered ebikes are eating the huge weight penalty and going to moped tires.

Anyway, it&#039;s a sleek bike. The kit looks to be an entry level crystalyte g series motor. Not too nice, but it&#039;d be more reliable than a smaller, lighter  geared motor and does regen which saves tons of brake pads. Like 10,000 miles and still on the same set of pads :) 

Battery is a bit anemic.... but it always is. Why? Why? Why? My 70lb, 50mph ebike has a 1kw battery. Could they not tack on 5lb more of battery to double the range of this bike? 

For those harping on the price... you can always build your own for 1/7th the price. The great thing about ebikes is you don&#039;t need top of the line components to make a great ebike. Everything but the brakes can be shitty and heavy, and it won&#039;t matter. Since you have a motor. 

But yeah the price is crazy... especially when a stealth fighter cost $10k and a Zero cost $12k]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$7k and they could afford a suspension or bigger tires? It&#8217;s a sleek bike, but you&#8217;d have to be retarded to ride on city streets at 40mph. I use the biggest 2.5&#8243; tires I can find on my ebikes. More control, stopping power, and cushion on bad roads. And it&#8217;s still not enough. Many high powered ebikes are eating the huge weight penalty and going to moped tires.</p>
<p>Anyway, it&#8217;s a sleek bike. The kit looks to be an entry level crystalyte g series motor. Not too nice, but it&#8217;d be more reliable than a smaller, lighter  geared motor and does regen which saves tons of brake pads. Like 10,000 miles and still on the same set of pads <img src='http://bicycledesign.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Battery is a bit anemic&#8230;. but it always is. Why? Why? Why? My 70lb, 50mph ebike has a 1kw battery. Could they not tack on 5lb more of battery to double the range of this bike? </p>
<p>For those harping on the price&#8230; you can always build your own for 1/7th the price. The great thing about ebikes is you don&#8217;t need top of the line components to make a great ebike. Everything but the brakes can be shitty and heavy, and it won&#8217;t matter. Since you have a motor. </p>
<p>But yeah the price is crazy&#8230; especially when a stealth fighter cost $10k and a Zero cost $12k</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Smith III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Smith III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard, all due respect but A2B is still alive and well, under new management, and continues to be a strong force in the performance E-Bike market with broad distribution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, all due respect but A2B is still alive and well, under new management, and continues to be a strong force in the performance E-Bike market with broad distribution.</p>
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		<title>By: art</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/03/specialized-turbo-e-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-26042</link>
		<dc:creator>art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 12:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the line for a public trail or a race is pretty firmly established at zero.  A motorized vehicle is a motorized vehicle regardless of how powerful the motor is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the line for a public trail or a race is pretty firmly established at zero.  A motorized vehicle is a motorized vehicle regardless of how powerful the motor is.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn McAfee</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2012/03/specialized-turbo-e-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-26033</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn McAfee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a really powerful e-bike. My biggest concern with the e-bike market is when they become popular with mountain bikers such as myself. Where do you set that line for what is acceptable on a trail or in a race. 

I think that the new e-bikes are absolutely remarkable though for what they have been able to do with styling and power. Perfect rides for any commuters]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really powerful e-bike. My biggest concern with the e-bike market is when they become popular with mountain bikers such as myself. Where do you set that line for what is acceptable on a trail or in a race. </p>
<p>I think that the new e-bikes are absolutely remarkable though for what they have been able to do with styling and power. Perfect rides for any commuters</p>
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