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		<title>By: Jackie Hewitt</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2010/04/city-cycle-concept-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-4476</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Hewitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 12:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lots of very strong opinons about this design, we’ve put our comments here. Andrew and Chris – we even talk about the fenders!
http://www.autodeskshowcase.co.uk/design-visualisation-and-presentation-the-sum-is-always-bigger-than-the-parts/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of very strong opinons about this design, we’ve put our comments here. Andrew and Chris – we even talk about the fenders!<br />
<a href="http://www.autodeskshowcase.co.uk/design-visualisation-and-presentation-the-sum-is-always-bigger-than-the-parts/" rel="nofollow">http://www.autodeskshowcase.co.uk/design-visualisation-and-presentation-the-sum-is-always-bigger-than-the-parts/</a></p>
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		<title>By: agusto cardinal</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2010/04/city-cycle-concept-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-4322</link>
		<dc:creator>agusto cardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 01:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[can anybody find a better desighn they are all at old century with new look need more]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can anybody find a better desighn they are all at old century with new look need more</p>
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		<title>By: Wednesday Afternoon Headlines &#124; The Daily Crank</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2010/04/city-cycle-concept-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-4122</link>
		<dc:creator>Wednesday Afternoon Headlines &#124; The Daily Crank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] City Cycle concept bike &#8211; The City Cycle concept was the final school project of Christian Vollmer, a recent graduate of the University of Applied Sciences in Darmstadt, Germany. The bike is a Pedelec type, meaning that the electric motor assists pedaling, but cannot replace it (no throttle control). (bicycle design) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] City Cycle concept bike &#8211; The City Cycle concept was the final school project of Christian Vollmer, a recent graduate of the University of Applied Sciences in Darmstadt, Germany. The bike is a Pedelec type, meaning that the electric motor assists pedaling, but cannot replace it (no throttle control). (bicycle design) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James T</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2010/04/city-cycle-concept-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-4112</link>
		<dc:creator>James T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 13:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do agree that the tire clearance should be the same front and rear (with ample room for fenders). It appears that the spacing is the same in the renderings, so that may just have been an issue with the prototype. I can&#039;t say that is the case for sure, but since I remember how difficult it was to hand make prototypes in school (with limited time and resources), I will cut him some slack on that tight rear clearance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree that the tire clearance should be the same front and rear (with ample room for fenders). It appears that the spacing is the same in the renderings, so that may just have been an issue with the prototype. I can&#8217;t say that is the case for sure, but since I remember how difficult it was to hand make prototypes in school (with limited time and resources), I will cut him some slack on that tight rear clearance.</p>
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		<title>By: James T</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2010/04/city-cycle-concept-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-4111</link>
		<dc:creator>James T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 13:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point about the seat...though it does look like the seat on my commuter bike- an old Flite Titanium.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about the seat&#8230;though it does look like the seat on my commuter bike- an old Flite Titanium.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2010/04/city-cycle-concept-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-4093</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 05:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I Agree with Andrew. Furthermore, If you look at the third image from top, there appears to be almost no tyre clearance on the &quot;wishbone&quot; seat-stay junction versus the ample clearance on the front. Two decades as a bicycle mechanic (doing everything from mending punctures to repairing (steel) frames) taught me to hate such design errors. Fitting mudguards (fenders) is the archetypal mechanics&#039; nightmare. 

Why have different tyre clearance for front and rear wheels? I&#039;m sorry to be harsh, but such a decision on the part of a designer appears to me to be sloppy, ignorant or arrogant. 

Likewise, the belt drive gaff. If a &#039;gate&#039; is proposed to facilitate belt removal, it should be shown at this stage of the design process.

The elongated wishbone on the forks seems to serve no purpose other than to shorten the head tube and placing the head bearings closer together. Why would one want to do that?

Finally, if the goal is a tamper-proof bike, why have brake cables hanging out in the breeze for all and sundry to mess with? If these are hydraulic lines, less obvious routing would be a thoughtful touch.

Sorry to be a grouch. I&#039;ll finish on a positive note, I like the motor idea. When living in China (&#039;01-&#039;04) I saw a lot of electric bikes. Not many of the people riding them were fat. I rode my regular, 1 speed Chinese bike everywhere, but on a 40 degree Celsius day, the folks on electric bikes probably got to work less sweaty than I. They rode electric bikes mainly because the city government put a moratorium on motorbike registrations. In an urban situation, electric bikes make more sense than electric cars, let alone gas guzzlers. 30-50 kg of personal transport  makes more sense than 1500 kg. So, whether the riders are skinny or fat, I&#039;d much rather share the road with more electric bikes and fewer cars. In my years of daily cycling in China, not once did I feel physically threatened by an electric moped!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Agree with Andrew. Furthermore, If you look at the third image from top, there appears to be almost no tyre clearance on the &#8220;wishbone&#8221; seat-stay junction versus the ample clearance on the front. Two decades as a bicycle mechanic (doing everything from mending punctures to repairing (steel) frames) taught me to hate such design errors. Fitting mudguards (fenders) is the archetypal mechanics&#8217; nightmare. </p>
<p>Why have different tyre clearance for front and rear wheels? I&#8217;m sorry to be harsh, but such a decision on the part of a designer appears to me to be sloppy, ignorant or arrogant. </p>
<p>Likewise, the belt drive gaff. If a &#8216;gate&#8217; is proposed to facilitate belt removal, it should be shown at this stage of the design process.</p>
<p>The elongated wishbone on the forks seems to serve no purpose other than to shorten the head tube and placing the head bearings closer together. Why would one want to do that?</p>
<p>Finally, if the goal is a tamper-proof bike, why have brake cables hanging out in the breeze for all and sundry to mess with? If these are hydraulic lines, less obvious routing would be a thoughtful touch.</p>
<p>Sorry to be a grouch. I&#8217;ll finish on a positive note, I like the motor idea. When living in China (&#8217;01-&#8217;04) I saw a lot of electric bikes. Not many of the people riding them were fat. I rode my regular, 1 speed Chinese bike everywhere, but on a 40 degree Celsius day, the folks on electric bikes probably got to work less sweaty than I. They rode electric bikes mainly because the city government put a moratorium on motorbike registrations. In an urban situation, electric bikes make more sense than electric cars, let alone gas guzzlers. 30-50 kg of personal transport  makes more sense than 1500 kg. So, whether the riders are skinny or fat, I&#8217;d much rather share the road with more electric bikes and fewer cars. In my years of daily cycling in China, not once did I feel physically threatened by an electric moped!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 14:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correlation does not equal causation, though. Or more significantly, doesn&#039;t show the direction of causation. I doubt if they&#039;re fat because they&#039;re riding an assisted bike - more likely they&#039;re riding an assisted bike because they&#039;re fat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correlation does not equal causation, though. Or more significantly, doesn&#8217;t show the direction of causation. I doubt if they&#8217;re fat because they&#8217;re riding an assisted bike &#8211; more likely they&#8217;re riding an assisted bike because they&#8217;re fat.</p>
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		<title>By: City Concept Commuter Bike for Non-Cyclists @ Technology News</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2010/04/city-cycle-concept-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-4079</link>
		<dc:creator>City Concept Commuter Bike for Non-Cyclists @ Technology News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 12:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Seramik</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2010/04/city-cycle-concept-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-4078</link>
		<dc:creator>Seramik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[how the belt can be install ?
 because it pass accross the frame ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how the belt can be install ?<br />
 because it pass accross the frame ?</p>
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		<title>By: jamesmallon</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2010/04/city-cycle-concept-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-4075</link>
		<dc:creator>jamesmallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 02:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Never seen anyone on an assisted bike who wasn&#039;t fat.  Guess why.  Yeah, yeah, I am going to get spew that people with health problems need them.  BS, they could use a lower gear inch, or have thought of exercise a decade earlier.  Almost nobody changes their diet/exercise habits after twenty, which makes the few who do more laudable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never seen anyone on an assisted bike who wasn&#8217;t fat.  Guess why.  Yeah, yeah, I am going to get spew that people with health problems need them.  BS, they could use a lower gear inch, or have thought of exercise a decade earlier.  Almost nobody changes their diet/exercise habits after twenty, which makes the few who do more laudable.</p>
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