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		<title>By: Velomobiles and ‘bents &#124; Bicycle Design</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2009/05/back-to-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-3759</link>
		<dc:creator>Velomobiles and ‘bents &#124; Bicycle Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] velomobiles as well as fairings and covers to fit standard recumbent bikes and trikes. Tying into my last post, I want to point out a question that Goblin Motors president Jeff Bales asked then UCI president [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] velomobiles as well as fairings and covers to fit standard recumbent bikes and trikes. Tying into my last post, I want to point out a question that Goblin Motors president Jeff Bales asked then UCI president [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bikes of the Giro &#124; Bicycle Design</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2009/05/back-to-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-3756</link>
		<dc:creator>Bikes of the Giro &#124; Bicycle Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] S-Works TTR prototype. The article is interesting as it discusses the new design in regards to the UCI’s more stringent equipment rules, which will be effective July 1st. Another time trail bike that stands out is the new Scott Plasma [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] S-Works TTR prototype. The article is interesting as it discusses the new design in regards to the UCI’s more stringent equipment rules, which will be effective July 1st. Another time trail bike that stands out is the new Scott Plasma [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fitnessbikes</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2009/05/back-to-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-3205</link>
		<dc:creator>fitnessbikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am keen too to hear about electric assist velomobile racing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am keen too to hear about electric assist velomobile racing.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Watson</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2009/05/back-to-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-3034</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 19:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if you want to see electricified velomobile racing (with power limiters btw), you can at the ePower Challenge which is held at Portland International Raceway on the weekend of Memorial Day.  It is co-hosted with the Oregon Human Powered Challenge.  &lt;br /&gt;http://ohpv.org/HPC/Intro.html&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recumbent racing was marginalized by the 1934 post facto decision of the UCI.  But it is going on, and it also has numerous rules, mostly classifications so that like bikes race against like bikes.  Like any classification there can be some interesting discussions about them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a recumbent rider and recreational recumbent racer I am interested in how this recent UCI decisions fall out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you want to see electricified velomobile racing (with power limiters btw), you can at the ePower Challenge which is held at Portland International Raceway on the weekend of Memorial Day.  It is co-hosted with the Oregon Human Powered Challenge.  <br /><a href="http://ohpv.org/HPC/Intro.html" rel="nofollow">http://ohpv.org/HPC/Intro.html</a></p>
<p>Recumbent racing was marginalized by the 1934 post facto decision of the UCI.  But it is going on, and it also has numerous rules, mostly classifications so that like bikes race against like bikes.  Like any classification there can be some interesting discussions about them.</p>
<p>As a recumbent rider and recreational recumbent racer I am interested in how this recent UCI decisions fall out.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2009/05/back-to-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-3031</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 12:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe the stage races could have a stage or two where all the riders get the same bike, in their choice of size.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the stage races could have a stage or two where all the riders get the same bike, in their choice of size.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2009/05/back-to-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-3030</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UCI or humans don&#039;t like innovations?&lt;br /&gt;I think UCI is the last of the problem.&lt;br /&gt;All of us believe that bicycle is the most efficient vehicle. Big SHELL declares that a prototype car run more than 3000 km/lt of fuel at 30 km/h.&lt;br /&gt;That is to say: less than 20 Watt!!&lt;br /&gt;Look at the Shell Eco Marathon website.&lt;br /&gt;We ride a very efficient bicycle at the same speed with 150-170 Watt.&lt;br /&gt;10 TIMES LESS EFFICIENT THAN THE PROTOTYPE CAR!&lt;br /&gt;Or if you like an ebike is equipped with a 250 watt motor for assisting the rider for maximum speed of 25 km/h.&lt;br /&gt;Let&#039;s think about it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;looknicefab@gmail.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UCI or humans don&#8217;t like innovations?<br />I think UCI is the last of the problem.<br />All of us believe that bicycle is the most efficient vehicle. Big SHELL declares that a prototype car run more than 3000 km/lt of fuel at 30 km/h.<br />That is to say: less than 20 Watt!!<br />Look at the Shell Eco Marathon website.<br />We ride a very efficient bicycle at the same speed with 150-170 Watt.<br />10 TIMES LESS EFFICIENT THAN THE PROTOTYPE CAR!<br />Or if you like an ebike is equipped with a 250 watt motor for assisting the rider for maximum speed of 25 km/h.<br />Let&#8217;s think about it. </p>
<p><a href="mailto:looknicefab@gmail.com">looknicefab@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James, I agree with your last comment regarding less expensive equipment not being such a hinderance. It&#039;s probably only at pro level that it matters. For the rest of us, training more effectively has a much greater benefit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, weight limits do not ensure safety or reduce costs, they just allow the freedom to decide where the weight will be. For example by using power measuring equipment during races.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I agree with your last comment regarding less expensive equipment not being such a hinderance. It&#8217;s probably only at pro level that it matters. For the rest of us, training more effectively has a much greater benefit.</p>
<p>Also, weight limits do not ensure safety or reduce costs, they just allow the freedom to decide where the weight will be. For example by using power measuring equipment during races.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sean and Chris, I understand your points, especially about Juniors…and maybe even U23 riders. I have no problem with gear restrictions for Juniors and all of that kind of stuff. The way it is structured now though, USCF riders only need to follow the UCI bike restrictions if they choose to compete in events that select them for the national team or if they break a record at Nationals (someone correct me if I am wrong on that because it has been a while since I have held a USCF license). Otherwise, amateur riders here in the US only have to meet the USCF regulations for equipment, which are much less restrictive (and don’t outlaw non-traditional frame shapes).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Chris, you are right. The cost of equipment has escalated quite a bit in recent years. When I started racing in the late eighties, 1,000 bucks (or less) could buy a dream bike that was just like the ones all of the pros were riding. Today, the price of a pro level bike is out of reach for most people, but I think the technological benefit has trickled down to the point that riders who chose mid range road bikes benefit from racing technology . Personally, I would rather be riding a new 105 equipped bike today than the Dura-Ace equipped bike I rode back in the 80s. The second and third tier groups from Shimano, Campy, and SRAM all work pretty well these days, so their should be no shame in racing with a lower end group. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yeah, the elitist roadie snob factor is there, but it is possible to use that to your advantage as well.  I remember a guy in the early 90s who used to race an old, extremely dirty yellow Torpado with worn out Campy 6 speed, torn bar tape and mismatched used tubulars. That bike looked like a beater, but no one was sneering at it when he was consistently winning races from a solo breakaway. I guess my point is that equipment is great, but it doesn’t make THAT much of a difference. Yes, if you can afford it, it is nice to have a slight edge. If you are younger though, it is great to be able to just train a little harder and beat all those older (and richer) guys on their top of the line bikes. By saying that, I am not at all knocking the masters racers who show up at local races on pristine 8,000-dollar bikes. I would do that too if I could afford it, but a pro level bike is certainly not something you NEED to compete.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean and Chris, I understand your points, especially about Juniors…and maybe even U23 riders. I have no problem with gear restrictions for Juniors and all of that kind of stuff. The way it is structured now though, USCF riders only need to follow the UCI bike restrictions if they choose to compete in events that select them for the national team or if they break a record at Nationals (someone correct me if I am wrong on that because it has been a while since I have held a USCF license). Otherwise, amateur riders here in the US only have to meet the USCF regulations for equipment, which are much less restrictive (and don’t outlaw non-traditional frame shapes).</p>
<p>Chris, you are right. The cost of equipment has escalated quite a bit in recent years. When I started racing in the late eighties, 1,000 bucks (or less) could buy a dream bike that was just like the ones all of the pros were riding. Today, the price of a pro level bike is out of reach for most people, but I think the technological benefit has trickled down to the point that riders who chose mid range road bikes benefit from racing technology . Personally, I would rather be riding a new 105 equipped bike today than the Dura-Ace equipped bike I rode back in the 80s. The second and third tier groups from Shimano, Campy, and SRAM all work pretty well these days, so their should be no shame in racing with a lower end group. </p>
<p>Yeah, the elitist roadie snob factor is there, but it is possible to use that to your advantage as well.  I remember a guy in the early 90s who used to race an old, extremely dirty yellow Torpado with worn out Campy 6 speed, torn bar tape and mismatched used tubulars. That bike looked like a beater, but no one was sneering at it when he was consistently winning races from a solo breakaway. I guess my point is that equipment is great, but it doesn’t make THAT much of a difference. Yes, if you can afford it, it is nice to have a slight edge. If you are younger though, it is great to be able to just train a little harder and beat all those older (and richer) guys on their top of the line bikes. By saying that, I am not at all knocking the masters racers who show up at local races on pristine 8,000-dollar bikes. I would do that too if I could afford it, but a pro level bike is certainly not something you NEED to compete.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What Sean said.  While no fan of the UCI overall, I&#039;m glad they&#039;re instituting restrictions on equipment, though they could certainly do a better job of it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Up until recently, most folks with a little disposable income could ride a bike that was virtually identical to what the pros were riding, with the exception of the handmade tubulars.  Now a kid with a dream of being the next Contador will have a very hard time affording a Contador setup.  And it&#039;s a drag, especially when you&#039;re young, to show up at a race where others are passing judgment on your ride, and where you&#039;re paying a weight/aero penalty, even if much of that is psychological.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Stifling innovation? Yes.  But nearly all of the recent innovations have little practical carryover outside of racing where aero and a few lbs don&#039;t mean much.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I&#039;m all for double diamonds, limited aerodynamic aids, and a weight limit--the latter should be even higher so that the components will be more durable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If there&#039;s then another racing league that&#039;s entirely open, that might be ok too.  I just don&#039;t want to see the biggest stars of the sport riding throwaway 12 lb. bikes that require extreme flexibility and that cost as much as a car.  We&#039;re far to close to that already.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Sean said.  While no fan of the UCI overall, I&#8217;m glad they&#8217;re instituting restrictions on equipment, though they could certainly do a better job of it.</p>
<p>Up until recently, most folks with a little disposable income could ride a bike that was virtually identical to what the pros were riding, with the exception of the handmade tubulars.  Now a kid with a dream of being the next Contador will have a very hard time affording a Contador setup.  And it&#8217;s a drag, especially when you&#8217;re young, to show up at a race where others are passing judgment on your ride, and where you&#8217;re paying a weight/aero penalty, even if much of that is psychological.</p>
<p>Stifling innovation? Yes.  But nearly all of the recent innovations have little practical carryover outside of racing where aero and a few lbs don&#8217;t mean much.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m all for double diamonds, limited aerodynamic aids, and a weight limit&#8211;the latter should be even higher so that the components will be more durable.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s then another racing league that&#8217;s entirely open, that might be ok too.  I just don&#8217;t want to see the biggest stars of the sport riding throwaway 12 lb. bikes that require extreme flexibility and that cost as much as a car.  We&#8217;re far to close to that already.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the simple reality is that equipment restrictions level the playing field so competition is closer and fairer.  i have no problem with the UCI&#039;s equipment restrictions - i do have a problem with the UCI constantly changing them, or otherwise not enforcing the rules that are already in place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;where equipment rules make the most sense is at the bottom level of racing - juniors, entry level categories (cat3,4,5).  at this level i believe that riders should race a standard road bike with no special TT equipment or disc wheels.  at this level, money can buy speed and if we want the best riders (not the richest) to prosper and be competitve this would be a step in the right direction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the simple reality is that equipment restrictions level the playing field so competition is closer and fairer.  i have no problem with the UCI&#8217;s equipment restrictions &#8211; i do have a problem with the UCI constantly changing them, or otherwise not enforcing the rules that are already in place.</p>
<p>where equipment rules make the most sense is at the bottom level of racing &#8211; juniors, entry level categories (cat3,4,5).  at this level i believe that riders should race a standard road bike with no special TT equipment or disc wheels.  at this level, money can buy speed and if we want the best riders (not the richest) to prosper and be competitve this would be a step in the right direction.</p>
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