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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2008/10/commuter-bikes-for-the-masses-any-ideas/comment-page-2/#comment-28081</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And some sort of connector standard to enable a modular system with a common battery.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to see a carbon fork with LEDs moulded into the tips, to highlight bumps with shadow. And seats with integrated tail lights.]]></description>
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		<title>By: A review of the Flashbak safety light for cyclists &#124; Bicycle Design</title>
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		<dc:creator>A review of the Flashbak safety light for cyclists &#124; Bicycle Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 16:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and the light rain, I was glad to have the FlashBak on my back for a little extra visibility. My commuter bike has two red LED taillights, one on the seatpost and one on my trunk pack. The Flashbak is a great [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and the light rain, I was glad to have the FlashBak on my back for a little extra visibility. My commuter bike has two red LED taillights, one on the seatpost and one on my trunk pack. The Flashbak is a great [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chinese folding bikes &#124; Bicycle Design</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2008/10/commuter-bikes-for-the-masses-any-ideas/comment-page-2/#comment-3903</link>
		<dc:creator>Chinese folding bikes &#124; Bicycle Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] last post about commuter bikes for the masses generated some really good discussion from all of you. The discussion got me thinking- the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: “Commuter bike for the masses” design competition &#124; Bicycle Design</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2008/10/commuter-bikes-for-the-masses-any-ideas/comment-page-2/#comment-3738</link>
		<dc:creator>“Commuter bike for the masses” design competition &#124; Bicycle Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 00:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] bike to work, but the design of the bicycle itself is also an important part of the equation. Some great discussion has taken place on the blog recently about the design of a bike for the many “potential cyclists” out there who do not currently [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] bike to work, but the design of the bicycle itself is also an important part of the equation. Some great discussion has taken place on the blog recently about the design of a bike for the many “potential cyclists” out there who do not currently [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andraž</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andraž</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like most of you love the most common bike design (safety bike) it is simple and effective design, which have proved itself during a century, but we should not forget before its existence it had to be invented! We should think outside the box, there is more than enough bikes to choose from, but 90% of them differs only by brand names.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have asked on some MTB forum: “Why or when they do NOT go to work on a bike?” Here are the answers from most to least common: rain or snow, cold (less than 0°C), cargo or taking children to school, sweat, danger of bike being stolen, laziness, ice or snow on roads, time (being late), broken bike, long climbs, sickens, grease on clothes... The group was small and they were all biking enthusiasts, but it can give us the general picture.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Most of these problems can be solved, not necessarily in one product. Danger of bike being stolen is solved with folding bikes all shapes and sizes or with cheap bikes or good locks or even with urban furniture. Sweating can be reduced with proper and intuitive gearing, electro motors can help in difficult climbs. Problems of rain and weather can be solved with making enclosed bikes or clothing to put over regular clothes or some mean of deflecting rain using airflow.&lt;br/&gt;The safety could as well improve, we now have disc brakes, but some people now fear of falling over the handlebar, I have heard of electro motors being brakes so ABS and such could also be easily implemented on bikes, these brakes could also charge batteries.&lt;br/&gt;The elderly have poor balance so trikes are more appropriate for them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now I see the commuter bikes becoming more of a statement than a tool (I expect in the near future commuter bike being a choice of educated and wealthy people leading the way) We should remember, how cycling started among aristocracy (ridiculed by others), without pedals, on wooden wheels, and gained wider popularity as it has improved with inflatable rubber, gears... as always innovation is the key to make human powered vehicle more popular on todays free market. As the market will grow more affordable and better the products will get as it is with the cars today.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In response to different needs (in the blue ocean) we shall see different designs from recumbents, fixies, ordinarys, MTBs, BMXs, trikes, chopper bikes, folding bikes and other stuff that is hardly called a bike ... because we must not primarily search for the bike. We should try to solve problems.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;PS: I totally agree. “If you look at bicycle &quot;cultures&quot; around the world to see why they are successful, the main ingredients are safe routes, general infrastructure like parking and servicing and social acceptance. Nothing to do with bikes.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Andraž&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;student of product design&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ljubljana, Slovenia]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like most of you love the most common bike design (safety bike) it is simple and effective design, which have proved itself during a century, but we should not forget before its existence it had to be invented! We should think outside the box, there is more than enough bikes to choose from, but 90% of them differs only by brand names.</p>
<p>I have asked on some MTB forum: “Why or when they do NOT go to work on a bike?” Here are the answers from most to least common: rain or snow, cold (less than 0°C), cargo or taking children to school, sweat, danger of bike being stolen, laziness, ice or snow on roads, time (being late), broken bike, long climbs, sickens, grease on clothes&#8230; The group was small and they were all biking enthusiasts, but it can give us the general picture.</p>
<p>Most of these problems can be solved, not necessarily in one product. Danger of bike being stolen is solved with folding bikes all shapes and sizes or with cheap bikes or good locks or even with urban furniture. Sweating can be reduced with proper and intuitive gearing, electro motors can help in difficult climbs. Problems of rain and weather can be solved with making enclosed bikes or clothing to put over regular clothes or some mean of deflecting rain using airflow.<br />The safety could as well improve, we now have disc brakes, but some people now fear of falling over the handlebar, I have heard of electro motors being brakes so ABS and such could also be easily implemented on bikes, these brakes could also charge batteries.<br />The elderly have poor balance so trikes are more appropriate for them.</p>
<p>Now I see the commuter bikes becoming more of a statement than a tool (I expect in the near future commuter bike being a choice of educated and wealthy people leading the way) We should remember, how cycling started among aristocracy (ridiculed by others), without pedals, on wooden wheels, and gained wider popularity as it has improved with inflatable rubber, gears&#8230; as always innovation is the key to make human powered vehicle more popular on todays free market. As the market will grow more affordable and better the products will get as it is with the cars today.</p>
<p>In response to different needs (in the blue ocean) we shall see different designs from recumbents, fixies, ordinarys, MTBs, BMXs, trikes, chopper bikes, folding bikes and other stuff that is hardly called a bike &#8230; because we must not primarily search for the bike. We should try to solve problems.</p>
<p><i>PS: I totally agree. “If you look at bicycle &#8220;cultures&#8221; around the world to see why they are successful, the main ingredients are safe routes, general infrastructure like parking and servicing and social acceptance. Nothing to do with bikes.”</i></p>
<p>Andraž<br /><i>student of product design</i><br />Ljubljana, Slovenia</p>
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		<title>By: Human Amplifier</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2008/10/commuter-bikes-for-the-masses-any-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-2396</link>
		<dc:creator>Human Amplifier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.minimalvehicleproject.com/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Shows details of the Alessandro Belli Ultra lightweight bike]]></description>
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<p>Shows details of the Alessandro Belli Ultra lightweight bike</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been leaning towards this type of bike as the perfect bike for a while now. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Surly Big Dummy with a Stokemonkey electric assist. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://cleverchimp.com/products/stokemonkey/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Found at Clever cycles in Portland. (mentioned previously)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been leaning towards this type of bike as the perfect bike for a while now. </p>
<p>Surly Big Dummy with a Stokemonkey electric assist. </p>
<p><a href="http://cleverchimp.com/products/stokemonkey/" rel="nofollow">http://cleverchimp.com/products/stokemonkey/</a></p>
<p>Found at Clever cycles in Portland. (mentioned previously)</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Human_Amplifier for the sites. I&#039;ve visited them and I wonder if you&#039;ve read the descriptions on the patent? It was interesting reading for me. On the surface, it looks like a duck but is a different animal - even in the description, than the one I&#039;ve described so far. I&#039;ll give you that some of the features are the same but the area of non-continuous compressional elements between tensional points may seem like a small point but the fact is alluded to that Heavy rods are used in place of lightweight tubes and the rods fit into a matrix node for the sake of loads. The title description also says a &quot;demountable&quot; bike, not a tensional frame. It is not as if the use of the terms, tensegrity and tensional integrity in 1983, the year of issue, didn&#039;t exist. So then the question for that type of design is, does it do what I&#039;ve already described as far as routing all forces throughout the frame, and being lighter in weight as proposed?&lt;br/&gt;The other designs you pointed to were intriguing. Thank you. I&#039;ll look forward to our further discussions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Human_Amplifier for the sites. I&#8217;ve visited them and I wonder if you&#8217;ve read the descriptions on the patent? It was interesting reading for me. On the surface, it looks like a duck but is a different animal &#8211; even in the description, than the one I&#8217;ve described so far. I&#8217;ll give you that some of the features are the same but the area of non-continuous compressional elements between tensional points may seem like a small point but the fact is alluded to that Heavy rods are used in place of lightweight tubes and the rods fit into a matrix node for the sake of loads. The title description also says a &#8220;demountable&#8221; bike, not a tensional frame. It is not as if the use of the terms, tensegrity and tensional integrity in 1983, the year of issue, didn&#8217;t exist. So then the question for that type of design is, does it do what I&#8217;ve already described as far as routing all forces throughout the frame, and being lighter in weight as proposed?<br />The other designs you pointed to were intriguing. Thank you. I&#8217;ll look forward to our further discussions.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilZone77</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilZone77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good afternoon all - I&#039;m new to this site, but you have definitely peaked my interest with this discussion! I am a professional designer in CT who commutes to work 2 - 3 day a week, approx. 12 miles one way. My first question for this assignment is how do you differentiate a &quot;commuter bike&quot; to the non-cyclist? It seems that a lot of us who ride regularly and are even light gearheads have a laundry list of things that WE would want in a commuter. We probably all have road bikes, mountain bikes, free-ride bikes, etc. but it is all the same to someone who doesn&#039;t ride on a regular basis. How do you create a &quot;commuter bike for the masses&quot; without it being just another bike? Is it as simple as integrating all the features of a typical commuter (fenders, appropriate geometry and rider position, cargo space, lights, etc.) or is it something COMPLETELY different? Maybe it&#039;s not a &quot;bicycle&quot; at all by it&#039;s traditional definition - Perhaps it is a &quot;human-powered vehicle&quot; for the masses.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It seems like there are so many factors involved in getting people out of their cars. Weather, safety on the road, tight schedules, physical ability, and the list doesn&#039;t end there, but you get the idea - It&#039;s tough! It&#039;s a challenge that I&#039;m definitely looking forward to contemplating further!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No matter what, this thing has to be simple and intuitive, bottom line. When the consumer approaches anything, if they can&#039;t figure it out, they&#039;ll walk away. I think a lot of thought has to go into the emotional aspects of the non-cyclist purchasing an alternate mode of transportation. Our economy sucks right now, and people are spending a lot less. Consumers need concrete reassurance or incentive that purchasing a &quot;human powered vehicle&quot; is going to be worth the price of admission, not to mention SAFE!!! I think people love traveling in their cars because of that feeling of safety that you get when you&#039;re surrounded by 2000 lbs of steel, aluminum, plastic and glass. That&#039;s going to be a tough hurdle to overcome.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Regardless, I hope you will welcome these comments, and I look forward to hearing yours. I&#039;ve got to get back to the drawing board! Peace,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Phil&lt;br/&gt;West Hartford, CT]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good afternoon all &#8211; I&#8217;m new to this site, but you have definitely peaked my interest with this discussion! I am a professional designer in CT who commutes to work 2 &#8211; 3 day a week, approx. 12 miles one way. My first question for this assignment is how do you differentiate a &#8220;commuter bike&#8221; to the non-cyclist? It seems that a lot of us who ride regularly and are even light gearheads have a laundry list of things that WE would want in a commuter. We probably all have road bikes, mountain bikes, free-ride bikes, etc. but it is all the same to someone who doesn&#8217;t ride on a regular basis. How do you create a &#8220;commuter bike for the masses&#8221; without it being just another bike? Is it as simple as integrating all the features of a typical commuter (fenders, appropriate geometry and rider position, cargo space, lights, etc.) or is it something COMPLETELY different? Maybe it&#8217;s not a &#8220;bicycle&#8221; at all by it&#8217;s traditional definition &#8211; Perhaps it is a &#8220;human-powered vehicle&#8221; for the masses.</p>
<p>It seems like there are so many factors involved in getting people out of their cars. Weather, safety on the road, tight schedules, physical ability, and the list doesn&#8217;t end there, but you get the idea &#8211; It&#8217;s tough! It&#8217;s a challenge that I&#8217;m definitely looking forward to contemplating further!</p>
<p>No matter what, this thing has to be simple and intuitive, bottom line. When the consumer approaches anything, if they can&#8217;t figure it out, they&#8217;ll walk away. I think a lot of thought has to go into the emotional aspects of the non-cyclist purchasing an alternate mode of transportation. Our economy sucks right now, and people are spending a lot less. Consumers need concrete reassurance or incentive that purchasing a &#8220;human powered vehicle&#8221; is going to be worth the price of admission, not to mention SAFE!!! I think people love traveling in their cars because of that feeling of safety that you get when you&#8217;re surrounded by 2000 lbs of steel, aluminum, plastic and glass. That&#8217;s going to be a tough hurdle to overcome.</p>
<p>Regardless, I hope you will welcome these comments, and I look forward to hearing yours. I&#8217;ve got to get back to the drawing board! Peace,</p>
<p>Phil<br />West Hartford, CT</p>
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