Comments on: Traveling http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/ The blog about industrial design in the bike industry Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:39:16 +0000 hourly 1 By: Folding Bike http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/comment-page-1/#comment-2463 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:28:00 +0000 http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/#comment-2463 Folding BikesTo experience the various facets of folding bikes like disk brakes Black, Skin Wall, Reflective Stripe Alloy, Cold Forged SS, Rear Hub Freewheel in your folding bike or strida, Just order your folding bike today on http://www.myfoldingbike.com/

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By: C http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/comment-page-1/#comment-2212 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:27:00 +0000 http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/#comment-2212 Looks like Hank and I might get our wish. Just looked at the ’09 Campy catalog and it looks like Centaur will be offered in an all alloy version. Nice shiny Ergo levers, cranks, brakes, and derailleurs. Only item they’re missing is a seatpost.

Not sure I’m entirely sold on the new Ergo levers but I’ll be open minded and try them out first.

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By: bikesgonewild http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/comment-page-1/#comment-2186 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:30:00 +0000 http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/#comment-2186 …hank…richard storino, campagnolo's american capo di capo should have the forethought to see the wisdom of your idea & directly appeal to valentino campagnolo for just what you suggested…

…the hand-built lugged frameset market w/ it's old school nuances has been religiously growing over the years & it's not going to go away…the success of the north american handbuilt bike show has exponentially fueled the market w/ it's popularity…

…the other side of the coin is that campagnolo is the only large component company w/ the panache to really cater to it…they'll either "get it" or they'll drop the ball & someone else will pick up on it & not do as good a job as needs to be done…

…of course, someone like chris king would do a creditable job if he chose to go in that direction…

…just thinkin'…

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By: Hank http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/comment-page-1/#comment-2184 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:51:00 +0000 http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/#comment-2184 Since Campagnolo seems to be retreating to the high end it really can’t afford to leave out the upmarket Rando/Brevet, Touring, Retro and Fancy City bike crowd. The sort that will order a Sacha White or Weigle frame or manufacturers like Bianchi and Colnago doing reduxes of 70’s steel frames. They would snap an elegant alloy gruppo up.

However they will need a normal reach brake (and or maybe a nicely sculpted forged canti) for fenders and wider tires and a crank based on Campy’s new compact BSD so 48/36 and 46/30 chain ring combos can be had.

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By: bikesgonewild http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/comment-page-1/#comment-2183 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:06:00 +0000 http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/#comment-2183 …i'm sitting here looking at my ti/carbon road bike equipped w/ '07 campagnolo record, making mental comparisons as i ponder this interesting discussion…

…in it's day, nothing came near campagnolo…record, nuovo record, super record, the 50th anniversary gruppo, back to record, all had an amazing elegance (you're quite correct to use that term, james) not found in anyone else's product line…

…shimano's road products have always functioned very well, no doubt about it, but i personally still don't think they've achieved as pleasing a look as campagnolo…

…that being said, the tables are turning in the sense that while shimano is going for a more stylized look, campagnolo's new 11-speed ergo has a less elegant yet highly functional "race" look to it…

…i certainly have no need to switch out parts as mine will function great for years to come but i find campagnolo's new look to already be growing on me (despite that rear derailler)…

…i would like to try the new ergo levers, as i tend to ride from the hoods a lot & i'd like to know if they are as comfortably ergonomic as they look…

…i will say this…those derailler pulley wheels couldn't have been designed to be harder to clean if they tried, especially considering how inaccessible they are w/out taking the rear cage apart…

…reader 'hank' has a great idea if it could be economically feasible…cater to the hand built, old school, lugged frame bike crowd w/ a specifically designed, high end 'elegant' alloy gruppo…wonderful thought…

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By: C http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/comment-page-1/#comment-2179 Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:35:00 +0000 http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/#comment-2179 I’m with Hank. I’d love to see Campy make an Argento group. Wouldn’t even have to be Record level. Some of the recently discontinued Centaur parts would be great. Bonus points if they would bring back their down tube shifters.

I’m reserving judgment on the new Ergo levers. I’m not crazy about the looks and I find it hard to believe they could improve the comfort of the current Ergo levers. However, that’s exactly what I said last time they changed the shape of Ergo so you never know.

I get the whole carbon thing for Record. It’s a racing group first and foremost so stiffness and weight savings will always come first. However, the vast majority of Campy customers never race and many of us have fond memories of shiny silver Campy parts.

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By: Hank http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/comment-page-1/#comment-2177 Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:30:00 +0000 http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/#comment-2177 Campagnolo should make a new corsa-record gruppo in polished alloy with engraved logos. Not retro reproductions but a clean modern design similar in spirit to the now much sought after C-record components.

Probably be a huge hit with those with custom built or vintage lugged steel bikes.

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By: Kokomannen http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/comment-page-1/#comment-2176 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:32:00 +0000 http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/#comment-2176 The Campagnolo components used to have a have a classic and very beautiful design, up until they went all crazy with the carbon fiber and black.

It all started going fast down hill when they re-designed the hubs to be all black and chunky instead of the polished and smooth looking old variety.

Then they dropped alloy cranks from the Record group and went all carbon (it’s not that the carbon cranks are really bad looking, they’re just another example of the exaggerated love of carbon fiber parts), before now making the rear derailleur look like a black chunk sitting at the drops. Also the new look of the Ergos is a great step back.

From what I have seen in tests of the new groups they have also made the shifting mechanism smoother with less pronounced clicks. In my opinion this is also a leap in the wrong direction.

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By: James http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/comment-page-1/#comment-2175 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:01:00 +0000 http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/#comment-2175 Great comments everyone; I like to see the discussion.

light bikes, I don’t know about the Ducati example. Sure the engineers work on the engine with pure function in mind, but you can bet that industrial designers have a big hand of the overall motorcycle design.

jimmythefly, great quote. I don’t like it when people discount beauty in man made objects as superficial. I would elaborate (if I weren’t about to get on a plane) but that attitude is the reason we have a landscape in the US full of junk architecture. Aesthetics do matter.

peter (and others), good points and well said.

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By: Anonymous http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/comment-page-1/#comment-2173 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:28:00 +0000 http://bicycledesign.net/2008/09/traveling/#comment-2173 I like what light-bikes.net said. I’m a big fan of handcrafted, detailed, proto stuff, which is why I admire Ducati and Campagnolo. Perhaps the designs feel more purposeful and stripped-down to me. Like a Stratocaster?

It’s great that I can repair/rebuild myself, tho usually there’s a bit of sticker-shock associated with rebuilding.

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