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		<title>By: douchey mcgree</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2007/12/back-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1196</link>
		<dc:creator>douchey mcgree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hey nathan, I agree the trends of fixed gears can be funny. I constantly am telling 19 year olds to go practice in a parking lot so they don&#039;t hurt themselves or someone else. That said, depending on the rider brakes don&#039;t always help. If your first instinct is to lock up the wheel or find the open slot of space, a brake will actually make you hesitate and make you more precarious. For other riders that are not comfortable locking up sitting down, blindfolded, etc - by all means use a brake!  Know your limits. Not about any aesthetics, purely based on safety. Ride safe yall!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey nathan, I agree the trends of fixed gears can be funny. I constantly am telling 19 year olds to go practice in a parking lot so they don&#8217;t hurt themselves or someone else. That said, depending on the rider brakes don&#8217;t always help. If your first instinct is to lock up the wheel or find the open slot of space, a brake will actually make you hesitate and make you more precarious. For other riders that are not comfortable locking up sitting down, blindfolded, etc &#8211; by all means use a brake!  Know your limits. Not about any aesthetics, purely based on safety. Ride safe yall!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know why everyone wonders about the purpose top tubes. In addition to helping you lean your bike on stuff... I have used a top tube protector for years because I have always lived in cities. And I have lived on the 3rd floor of an apartment building for years. Having a top tube protector is nice if you run up and down the stairs a lot. It has nothing to do with a trend - at least for me!  And riser bars are nice for riding in the city.  They also help you if you have elbow problems and can&#039;t use drops any more.  People should assume less.  There are wankers with anything, I just ignore them.  Cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why everyone wonders about the purpose top tubes. In addition to helping you lean your bike on stuff&#8230; I have used a top tube protector for years because I have always lived in cities. And I have lived on the 3rd floor of an apartment building for years. Having a top tube protector is nice if you run up and down the stairs a lot. It has nothing to do with a trend &#8211; at least for me!  And riser bars are nice for riding in the city.  They also help you if you have elbow problems and can&#8217;t use drops any more.  People should assume less.  There are wankers with anything, I just ignore them.  Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2007/12/back-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1157</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cool Tom. Enjoyed the YouTube trailer. Now I want a copy of that DVD.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool Tom. Enjoyed the YouTube trailer. Now I want a copy of that DVD.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom/Cadence</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2007/12/back-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1156</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom/Cadence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 05:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the positive article, Check out our recent project.&lt;br/&gt;www.bootlegsessions.net]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the positive article, Check out our recent project.<br /><a href="http://www.bootlegsessions.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.bootlegsessions.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2007/12/back-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1108</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Working in a bike shop, I&#039;ve seen more than my share of people on Wal-Mart bikes. I wish everyone had cheap, functional transportation, but the problem with Wal-Mart bikes is they&#039;re not comfortable and they don&#039;t work well, so people don&#039;t ride them, and then they think they don&#039;t really like ANY bikes, because they assume all bikes are as uncomfortable and poorly made.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And as an owner of 2 fixed gear bikes, I think the whole fixie craze is hilarious. People talk about the &quot;aesthetics&quot; of riding brake-less, but no one talks about the &quot;aesthetics&quot; of being stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of their life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working in a bike shop, I&#8217;ve seen more than my share of people on Wal-Mart bikes. I wish everyone had cheap, functional transportation, but the problem with Wal-Mart bikes is they&#8217;re not comfortable and they don&#8217;t work well, so people don&#8217;t ride them, and then they think they don&#8217;t really like ANY bikes, because they assume all bikes are as uncomfortable and poorly made.</p>
<p>And as an owner of 2 fixed gear bikes, I think the whole fixie craze is hilarious. People talk about the &#8220;aesthetics&#8221; of riding brake-less, but no one talks about the &#8220;aesthetics&#8221; of being stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of their life.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2007/12/back-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1107</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: top tube pads&lt;br/&gt;I wondered about the top tube pads as well. Assumed it was just a retro style thing brought from BMX. They still require them for racing. In my experience they help a little but if you&#039;re gonna whack into one of those locations (top tube, crossbar, neck) it&#039;s still gonna hurt. Whacked my knee into the neck a bunch of times, luckily avoided having the, uh, more tender areas come in contact with anything. For any kind of freestyle, however, the pads come off. Not the best standing platform. :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Re: the OLC bike. Don&#039;t think the whole drive train thing is sorted out there yet as the various views presented seem to indicate there is no offset to accommodate the chain. Not sure how that&#039;s supposed to work.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My biggest concern is regarding an unexpected stop or frontal collision (hey where are the brakes BTW?) and can be summed up in two words.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Crotch Splinters&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For $35.00 I can&#039;t imagine there&#039;s a whole lot of careful finish sanding going on there.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hmmm, maybe those pads aren&#039;t such a bad idea after all?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh, and seriously, isn&#039;t there enough &quot;disposable&quot; stuff out there now?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;...I&#039;ll go get a cookie and calm down now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: top tube pads<br />I wondered about the top tube pads as well. Assumed it was just a retro style thing brought from BMX. They still require them for racing. In my experience they help a little but if you&#8217;re gonna whack into one of those locations (top tube, crossbar, neck) it&#8217;s still gonna hurt. Whacked my knee into the neck a bunch of times, luckily avoided having the, uh, more tender areas come in contact with anything. For any kind of freestyle, however, the pads come off. Not the best standing platform. <img src='http://bicycledesign.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Re: the OLC bike. Don&#8217;t think the whole drive train thing is sorted out there yet as the various views presented seem to indicate there is no offset to accommodate the chain. Not sure how that&#8217;s supposed to work.</p>
<p>My biggest concern is regarding an unexpected stop or frontal collision (hey where are the brakes BTW?) and can be summed up in two words.</p>
<p>Crotch Splinters</p>
<p>For $35.00 I can&#8217;t imagine there&#8217;s a whole lot of careful finish sanding going on there.</p>
<p>Hmmm, maybe those pads aren&#8217;t such a bad idea after all?</p>
<p>Oh, and seriously, isn&#8217;t there enough &#8220;disposable&#8221; stuff out there now?</p>
<p>&#8230;I&#8217;ll go get a cookie and calm down now.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2007/12/back-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1106</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fritz, my old Trek fixed gear road bike is a utilitarian beater too. The lack of style serves as a theft deterrent when I leave it unlocked for short periods.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;BGW, I had forgotten about the DIY scrap wood hobby horse until today. It really is great how much it  looks like the Strida, isn’t it. I probably should have included a real link in the earlier comment. &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://bicycledesign.blogspot.com/2006/05/scrap-pile-fun.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Here it is again &lt;/a&gt; to make it a little easier on those of you who don’t want to cut and paste.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fritz, my old Trek fixed gear road bike is a utilitarian beater too. The lack of style serves as a theft deterrent when I leave it unlocked for short periods.</p>
<p>BGW, I had forgotten about the DIY scrap wood hobby horse until today. It really is great how much it  looks like the Strida, isn’t it. I probably should have included a real link in the earlier comment. <a HREF="http://bicycledesign.blogspot.com/2006/05/scrap-pile-fun.html" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow"> Here it is again </a> to make it a little easier on those of you who don’t want to cut and paste.</p>
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		<title>By: bikesgonewild</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2007/12/back-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1105</link>
		<dc:creator>bikesgonewild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...hey, that link leads us to a wooden version of the &#039;strida&#039; &amp; w/ that &#039;simplified&#039; drivetrain, it really is a strider...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;hey, that link leads us to a wooden version of the &#8216;strida&#8217; &#038; w/ that &#8216;simplified&#8217; drivetrain, it really is a strider&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2007/12/back-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1104</link>
		<dc:creator>Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That fixie freestyle stuff is pretty cool. I&#039;m one of those guys with a converted road bike -- I did it because I&#039;m too cheap to put real components on it and it&#039;s an ugly piece. I can stop quickly with a skid stop, but I still have brakes on the bike.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That fixie freestyle stuff is pretty cool. I&#8217;m one of those guys with a converted road bike &#8212; I did it because I&#8217;m too cheap to put real components on it and it&#8217;s an ugly piece. I can stop quickly with a skid stop, but I still have brakes on the bike.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://bicycledesign.net/2007/12/back-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1102</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bikesgonewild, you are right that many of the fixed gears out there are old converted frames, but I have seen plenty of true track bikes that have been modified to fit the trendy urban fixie look. Maybe that is why I am reluctant to sell my old Pinarello. The thought of it with riser bars and an aerospoke front wheel is enough to give me nightmares.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anon, I don’t know what “gwears” are, but I will be sure to stay away from them. I wouldn’t want anyone to think that I am weak. Seriously though, I don’t know if you were kidding or not, but I never said fixies are just a trend. I currently own 3 fixed gear bikes, one of which is a track bike that I have owned for 20 years. One of the others is an old 80’s trek that I used as a fixed commuter in the mid nineties. I am as big a fixed gear fan as anyone (except maybe Sheldon Brown). The trend I was referring to is the whole messenger inspired urban fixie look with short riser bars, no brakes, and strange wheel choices. I don’t really have anything against those bikes either, but I do not like the idea that brakes on the road are frowned upon by some members of the fixie scene. If you want to be an urban hipster and ride a fixed gear with a top tube pad, purple painted rims, and a riser bar, then I say great, do it; the more bikes on the road the better. All I want to say is don’t let what is currently in vogue dictate your equipment choices. Nothing is wrong with using bars wider that your shoulders or, at the very least, a front brake that actually makes the bike stop. It is best to ride what works best for you. Some people can stop a fixed gear on a dime without brakes, but most people can’t. I consider my self a pretty good fixed gear rider as I have been riding that way for a long time. I can stop a track bike with my legs, but I choose to use brakes on all bikes that use on the road. Maybe I am not trendy, but at least my knees aren’t shot.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Art, Ron and all, good points about the wooden bike. Here is one that might be closer to the 35 dollar price point:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://bicycledesign.blogspot.com/2006/05/scrap-pile-fun.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bikesgonewild, you are right that many of the fixed gears out there are old converted frames, but I have seen plenty of true track bikes that have been modified to fit the trendy urban fixie look. Maybe that is why I am reluctant to sell my old Pinarello. The thought of it with riser bars and an aerospoke front wheel is enough to give me nightmares.</p>
<p>Anon, I don’t know what “gwears” are, but I will be sure to stay away from them. I wouldn’t want anyone to think that I am weak. Seriously though, I don’t know if you were kidding or not, but I never said fixies are just a trend. I currently own 3 fixed gear bikes, one of which is a track bike that I have owned for 20 years. One of the others is an old 80’s trek that I used as a fixed commuter in the mid nineties. I am as big a fixed gear fan as anyone (except maybe Sheldon Brown). The trend I was referring to is the whole messenger inspired urban fixie look with short riser bars, no brakes, and strange wheel choices. I don’t really have anything against those bikes either, but I do not like the idea that brakes on the road are frowned upon by some members of the fixie scene. If you want to be an urban hipster and ride a fixed gear with a top tube pad, purple painted rims, and a riser bar, then I say great, do it; the more bikes on the road the better. All I want to say is don’t let what is currently in vogue dictate your equipment choices. Nothing is wrong with using bars wider that your shoulders or, at the very least, a front brake that actually makes the bike stop. It is best to ride what works best for you. Some people can stop a fixed gear on a dime without brakes, but most people can’t. I consider my self a pretty good fixed gear rider as I have been riding that way for a long time. I can stop a track bike with my legs, but I choose to use brakes on all bikes that use on the road. Maybe I am not trendy, but at least my knees aren’t shot.</p>
<p>Art, Ron and all, good points about the wooden bike. Here is one that might be closer to the 35 dollar price point:</p>
<p><a href="http://bicycledesign.blogspot.com/2006/05/scrap-pile-fun.html" rel="nofollow">http://bicycledesign.blogspot.com/2006/05/scrap-pile-fun.html</a></p>
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